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Need some help with this one..
trancearound
PostPosted: 30 September 2010 - 18:02:48 (793)  Reply with quote
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Hey everyone!

I'm currently reaching my limits on music production,
i really dont know how I can tune that song even more to it limits.

Please give it a try:
http://soundcloud.com/idtag/id-id

Any comments are welcome, things you like about the track - things you would like to see beeing changed and if you could provide how I get the track louder (because most of commercial tracks are MUCH louder than my one) I would really appreciate that!

Thanks for all input whichs helps!
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davidmclean
PostPosted: 30 September 2010 - 21:38:22 (943)  Reply with quote
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first thought - that kick is eating up alot of room in the mix as it has a pretty long delay, and this is making the track sound 'slow' and heavy, without any real drive or energy!

i only had a quick listen as don't have much time, but this is the first thought that i had.

try and tighten that kick right up and inject some more energy into the track!
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SecondHand
PostPosted: 30 September 2010 - 23:14:28 (010)  Reply with quote
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^ As this guy said, The kick is too "bumpy" and doesn't really give the track much drive. The bassline is more focused on the mid-tones and low in the low-frequencies, which also deprives the track from some drive.

Another note about the kick is that it's too concentrated in the low frequencies without any strength in the mid-to-high frequencies. It doesn't have that driving "slap" you get in lots of the tracks of the genre you're trying to make.
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Atlantis_AR
PostPosted: 01 October 2010 - 14:17:52 (637)  Reply with quote
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Your limiter is working FAR too hard! I don't know how commercial tracks could sound louder than this. SERIOUSLY, TURN IT DOWN! not impressed

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trancearound
PostPosted: 01 October 2010 - 14:57:57 (665)  Reply with quote
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Thank you all for your input,
I really appreciate that!

I uploaded a new version, made some tunings on the baseline,
but I'm not really satisfied - every production I hear is better than mine.

http://soundcloud.com/idtag/id-id

I realized that my production is loud enough - thats not the main problem at the moment.

Maybe someone can help me out and tell me, which elements maybe need some more tuning or even should be replaced.
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Atlantis_AR
PostPosted: 01 October 2010 - 15:08:47 (672)  Reply with quote
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trancearound wrote:
I uploaded a new version, made some tunings on the baseline,
but I'm not really satisfied - every production I hear is better than mine.

http://soundcloud.com/idtag/id-id

I realized that my production is loud enough - thats not the main problem at the moment.

Maybe someone can help me out and tell me, which elements maybe need some more tuning or even should be replaced.

In order to do so you need to turn the volume down and listen to the sound. Having it so loud doesn't help you produce a better mix. Remove any mastering processors and keep the volume below clipping, then I'll help you improve the sound. I now you've done a lot better this time, but if you remove any processing altogether I can delve deeper into the sound...

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trancearound
PostPosted: 01 October 2010 - 15:39:26 (694)  Reply with quote
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Thank you for your help atlantis!

I mixed down a version for you without the mastering chain,
http://soundcloud.com/idtag/id-id-no-mastering-chain

I will try to follow every advice you offer!
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Atlantis_AR
PostPosted: 02 October 2010 - 03:01:35 (167)  Reply with quote
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trancearound wrote:
I mixed down a version for you without the mastering chain,
http://soundcloud.com/idtag/id-id-no-mastering-chain

The kick has some inaudible rumble, so roll it off with a high-pass filter from around 20-30 Hz.

The hats at the start don't sound very crisp. Maybe you could brighten them up with some harmonic excitement.

Try to separate your mid instruments more with EQ, especially around 500 Hz, as the instruments become hard to distinguish when you have a lot playing at the same time. Basically try not to have an instrument impede too much on another. You can use a spectrum analyser to guide you.

I'm a bit confused how the build at 3:44 can sound louder than the rest. It loses its intensity afterwards, and is only going to eat into the master limiter. Also at 5:07 when you have your kick roll the peak level jumps up quite a bit. See if you can somehow reduce those peaks so the kicks don't add on each other. Might be tricky, and maybe not even practically possible.

Otherwise reduce the master volume by about 4 dB so it peaks no higher than about -3.0 dB. This way you have enough room for mastering later, which you'll clearly need to work on if the previous "mix" you posted was mastered, as it sounds a whole lot better unmastered.

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trancearound
PostPosted: 06 October 2010 - 15:44:46 (697)  Reply with quote
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Thank you very much Atlantis,
I really looked into your review and changed many elements of my track.

So here is the improved one:

http://soundcloud.com/idtag/id-id-improved

What do you think about that?

I really appreciate anyone's ideas which elements are nice to hear or not.
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Atlantis_AR
PostPosted: 06 October 2010 - 23:50:43 (035)  Reply with quote
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trancearound wrote:
Thank you very much Atlantis,
I really looked into your review and changed many elements of my track.

So here is the improved one:

http://soundcloud.com/idtag/id-id-improved

What do you think about that?

I really appreciate anyone's ideas which elements are nice to hear or not.

I hear you've mastered it now so I'll restrict my comments to mastering only.

I would try more (downward) compression on the mid-range. All a matter of taste but I find the high-levels stick out too much.

Bass range is still too heavy so look at shelving to possibly turn it down.

Try more harmonic excitement/and/or a shelving in the top as it sounds too dull. I've never been a fan of shelving the top but maybe I just haven't found a good EQ yet, in which case two or so peaking EQs should work well.

Try widening the lower mids too, and upper mids to a lesser degree.

Finally I think you should be limiting less. I know it might match commercial loudness, but commercial loudness sucks. Keep it open and let the listener turn the volume up.

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