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uplifting trance tips
Tico90
PostPosted: 16 September 2010 - 17:01:02 (750)  Reply with quote
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hey guys...I just want know more about uplifting trance ..i been producing trance music for about a year in fl studio and i still cant get that full uplifting sound in my projects ..i hear that "is all about layering..but i want details..thanks guys left

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hey guys...I just want know more about uplifting trance ..i been producing trance music for about a year in fl studio and i still cant get that full uplifting sound in my projects ..i hear that "is all about layering..but i want details..thanks guys
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PostPosted: 16 September 2010 - 18:38:06 (818)  Reply with quote
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making uplifting trance doenst neccesairy have to involve track layering. but its a helpfull tool. making a good kick/ fast bassroll. lead combination for me is usually a good start when i want to make something uplifting.

that way your track already has a certain speed before I even think about theme's or melodies

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jkl27
PostPosted: 16 September 2010 - 18:38:26 (818)  Reply with quote
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watch tutorial how to layer synths



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PostPosted: 16 September 2010 - 18:50:28 (826)  Reply with quote
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Tip 1 : Don't listen to too much uplifting tracks cuz you will lose originality

Tip 2 : Try to figure out for yourself how to give your tracks that oomph. Usually, a driving bassline is 80% of it.

Tip 3 : DO NOT use the regular deggadegga offbeat shit bass. That has been used a million times already. It is usually the first incentive for me to skip to the next track or stop listening.
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PostPosted: 16 September 2010 - 20:34:01 (898)  Reply with quote
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If you like offbeat base.
Don't fear to use it.
Loads of producers used it and earned big bucks doing it.
It sounds commercial and gives the right drive as well.

imo offline base means uplifting trance German style.
Check D-trance - Gary D or Tunnel trance force.
All the best songs use that offline base

Ones you created some uplifting tracks and understand how to do it.
Then you can try other basses.
But best do your first uplifter the standard known way.
Cos then you got most material to compare your track with released ones.
And offline bases are the easiest way to give it drive.

Best uplifter EVER made imho
DJ Shog mix the other mixes make me fall as sleep this one is SUPERB
2;20 the shills on the back grow to the max
2;51 will most likely get any uplifting fan going like a ferari

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Someone said anything about the best uplifting track ever made? grin


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PassiePassion
PostPosted: 16 September 2010 - 21:15:34 (927)  Reply with quote
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Yep I love that one too.
But i dis like most new things i hear Armin play

I was at the soccer party in amsterdam where Armin played
Went away cos he played break after break
Hear 1 min music then 2 min break and that 30 minutes after each other.
Breaks are lovely but beats are needed
Dance music is not Ambient even though the label owners of the biggest labels are old grey men.
Dance is music to move to not music to stand still at
Thats why Ambient and Lounge were created.

Imho we home musicians shouldn't stear away from anything
Do what you like most to please yourself and your friends.
If you only produce to sell your music.
Then you become a label hoe losing all your integrity.
And then you best just put a known song in your sequencer.
Change some note to make it yours
And copy the full buildup of the sold song.

I NEVER did that cos i like to make the music that I LIKE.
Stopped producing for labels 5 years ago.
Cos i felt like a damn prostitute to bend down to all the requests from the A&R.
It happened 2 times that a real label wanted a release.
They let me work on it for a week to change as they wanted.
And then at ones they could not release anything at that moment.

So MAKE MUSIC FOR YOUR OWN PLEASURE
If you made a great song sure send it in to a label
But don't expect to get rich by selling trax ,thats the wrong motivation.
When you make music for your pleasure then you get best results.
And it stays fun.

Commercial productions all sound like each other
Cos new artists make similar productions who proved them selfs.
So if your desperate then copy one
If you do it for your own pleasure do what you like to hear.
Music creation should be fun imo
And the fun turns into a job as soon as you become a label hoe.

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jkl27
PostPosted: 16 September 2010 - 23:18:30 (012)  Reply with quote
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nowadays , uplifting is a shit!

few producers can do it properly... i'm very doubt that you will become one of them. bigkiss

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Tico90
PostPosted: 17 September 2010 - 00:12:47 (050)  Reply with quote
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thanks guys for all that information...but I have another question ....ok we all know that in uplifting trance their is a bass line , melody ( leads ,arp) , pads , drumloop and the effects. but is their anything i am missing here that could make my track more full...

this is what i am trying to produce...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-OFiR7ktzk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40eJN5JbbrQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEk6ki9BxeA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29bB5oFp-LQ&feature=channel

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hey guys...I just want know more about uplifting trance ..i been producing trance music for about a year in fl studio and i still cant get that full uplifting sound in my projects ..i hear that "is all about layering..but i want details..thanks guys
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PassiePassion
PostPosted: 17 September 2010 - 02:48:23 (158)  Reply with quote
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And how does your song sound ?
Then we can compare and try to help you to get it to sound like the video's you posted.

If you want to learn it
Then re create one of those songs and give us a link
That way we can hear to listen whats missing
Or link your own song so we can hear whats missing when compared to the other songs wink

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Good uplifter in my opinion happy

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SecondHand
PostPosted: 17 September 2010 - 14:50:25 (660)  Reply with quote
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PassiePassion wrote:

If you want to learn it
Then re create one of those songs and give us a link
That way we can hear to listen whats missing
Or link your own song so we can hear whats missing when compared to the other songs wink


I wouldn't really recommend that very much. You see, if he kept trying to imitate tracks closely, he wouldn't really have much to call his own (Which is why I strongly urged him not to use the deggadegga offbeat bass). That is also why Arnej stopped making uplifting tracks under his 8 Wonders alias. He was simply following the cliches of the genre everyone else was following.

I'm a big uplifting head myself, but I almost throw up when I listen to uplifting nowadays. I'm even gonna wrap up whatever uplifting tracks I have left and stop doing that for a while. I'm gonna switch to the bottom half of the 130'ish bpm tracks happy
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Tico90
PostPosted: 17 September 2010 - 16:59:04 (749)  Reply with quote
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ok guy .. I am going to upload a track to my youtube channel and will post the link onces is upload..

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hey guys...I just want know more about uplifting trance ..i been producing trance music for about a year in fl studio and i still cant get that full uplifting sound in my projects ..i hear that "is all about layering..but i want details..thanks guys
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PassiePassion
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hey guys...I just want know more about uplifting trance ..i been producing trance music for about a year in fl studio and i still cant get that full uplifting sound in my projects ..i hear that "is all about layering..but i want details..thanks guys

Layering:

You can layer in various ways
So i'll try to explain them as simple as i can

Layering a drum sound
Layering a snare drum below a clap is easy
Just load a snare drum set in your sampler
And play the keys on your keyboard to hear which snare fits best with the clap
Then play the same melody with the snare that you play on the clap
You can copy the sequence and change the note hight too
But i would always advise to play the snare on your keyboard
Cos if you play then you can hear which sounds better

Or a short hit on the key board to get a short note
Or hold the key a lil longer to get the full sample playing
If you copy the clap and only change the note hight
Then you miss out on trying the different note lengths

Tip;
Make the 2nd or 4th clap , snare 25-50% longer than the 1st clap[s] in your sequence
That adds some groove-drive to your clap sequence
If you use a sample
First claps play sample 75% 4th or 2nd play sample 100%
Volume too first clap 10-15 softer in vol than the last

Tip
You can even start with a closed hihat on the clap position
Or even layer various closed hats during the buildup of the song
And then put a real clap or snare drum on top of it on the climax part
You don't need much volume on the bottom of the layer
So closed hihats can be useful as a clap too
Especially in songs where you don't want to get the track too aggressive

Layering a sound
Lets say you created a lead melody on your sequencer
But your not happy with the sound cos its not fat enough

Then you copy the sequence [notes that you played] to the next VSTi channel
On that track you add another VSTi with a similar sound
If you play the sequencer now then you hear its a lot fatter
Some musicians will layer 2-6 sounds that play the same melody
Not all at full volume off course but mixed so the 4 sounds become one
Just like when you create a sound on Vanguard
There you can also layer 3 sounds to make it 1 fat sound on the keyboard

Layering melodies
This is a different way to make your song fatter
You play a melody and then thick it up
By playing another melody on top of it and you play them together
So not using 1 strong lead and do the buildup with drumsounds
But build it up by putting melody on top of melody

The melodies do not have to play the same tones
But off course they do need to fit together
You can layer various different melodies on top of each other to create a full sound

Here is an example of melody layering on one of my songs [Not an uplifting track]
I made it 9 years ago
But still love it cos it has so many synths playing together in harmony

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1 26 = 3 melodies
1 41 = 5 melodies
1 55 = 6 melodies
2 09 = 7 melodies

I hope this made layering a bit clearer to you
Good luck with your productions
And off course have fun as thats the most important thing of making music imho

Greets Pascal cheers

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