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What's so "illegal" about mix sets?!!!!
mossi
PostPosted: 18 July 2010 - 22:42:41 (987)  Reply with quote
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That just doesn't compute for me. I have paid for my tracks and my gear, and I put them together in a mix. What's so illegal about that???!!! I actually find it very offensive that someone comes and locks my topic with the reasoning "We don't allow ANY kind of illegal mp3 discussion". You guys do realize that there's nothing "illegal" about putting together mix sets right? It's being done, legally, all over the planet. This is probably the ONLY forum on the Internet with this non-sense rule (and I frequent several legitimate music/DJ forums). I mean, you have a forum where people can post links to brand new tracks (Hot or Not), yet you don't allow mix sets?!

I'm sorry but the fact that you don't allow user mixes to be posted on here when you have a "How do I DJ?" and a "Hot or Not" forum is as weird as an 80 year old granny becoming a DJ.

I don't want anyone to be offended here and you may have a reason for this weirdness, but I'd like to hear about it. I just thought you guys would know these things better considering that you run a music forum.

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PostPosted: 18 July 2010 - 22:59:50 (999)  Reply with quote
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well for starters, trance.nu can have whatever rules without having to justify it. it's their site after all. like if they wanna ban everyone who uses the word 'tiesto', they can.

but that said t.nu's policy is a bit unbalanced. for instance allowing people to post youtube videos (usually even very high quality) of full trance tracks i think is much worse than posting dj mixes.

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PostPosted: 18 July 2010 - 23:09:20 (006)  Reply with quote
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a98 wrote:
well for starters, trance.nu can have whatever rules without having to justify it. it's their site after all. like if they wanna ban everyone who uses the word 'tiesto', they can.

more like the word 'ferry'...

but anyway, i understand that this is their site and stuff. but when you go international and you want your forum to really be a forum, you need to come up with rules that are meaningful. if an admin wants to hold on to rules that don't make sense then the forum will not have its members around for too long. seriously, t.nu only has maybe 40-50 users who contribute regularly. the rest either promote themselves, or disappear after 2 months.

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PostPosted: 18 July 2010 - 23:10:12 (007)  Reply with quote
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It is technically illegal to publish copyrighted material on the internet without consent from all parties involved.
When you buy music you buy the rights to play it personally but not for public performance, hence why clubs, pubs and radio stations will pay a lot of money to the PRS for a license for public performance.

That's how I understand it anyway. Not saying it's a good or bad rule though!

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PostPosted: 18 July 2010 - 23:20:09 (013)  Reply with quote
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Try getting a soundcloud account and upload your mixes there to post on t.nu because I can't see this rule being removed anytime soon.

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PostPosted: 18 July 2010 - 23:21:50 (015)  Reply with quote
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uforic wrote:
It is technically illegal to publish copyrighted material on the internet without consent from all parties involved.
When you buy music you buy the rights to play it personally but not for public performance, hence why clubs, pubs and radio stations will pay a lot of money to the PRS for a license for public performance.

That's how I understand it anyway. Not saying it's a good or bad rule though!

So are you suggesting that a DJ at a club or a pub should be paying money to the artists he literally promotes for?! If that's the case then all the DJ's in the city of Vancouver should be arrested for a lot of unpaid dues!

You don't pay anything to the original artists when you mix their tracks in a set.

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QWERTY. wrote:
Try getting a soundcloud account and upload your mixes there to post on t.nu because I can't see this rule being removed anytime soon.

Well it was already on soundcloud to begin with happy

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PostPosted: 18 July 2010 - 23:23:51 (016)  Reply with quote
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mossi wrote:
QWERTY. wrote:
Try getting a soundcloud account and upload your mixes there to post on t.nu because I can't see this rule being removed anytime soon.

Well it was already on soundcloud to begin with happy


did you remove the download option?

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I am not saying the DJ will have to pay to play at a club, but the venue does have to pay for a license for them to legally play music.

That is how it works in the UK anyway, so I assume it's similar elsewhere?

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mossi wrote:

So are you suggesting that a DJ at a club or a pub should be paying money to the artists he literally promotes for?! If that's the case then all the DJ's in the city of Vancouver should be arrested for a lot of unpaid dues!


Yes. And they do. Every bar/club pays performance royalties to that countries artists rights society. The money hardly ever actually goes to the right artists though, but it's still paid to the organisation. Even if the bar only plays radio there they still pay royalties for it.

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did you remove the download option?


It doesn't make it any more legal if it's streamable. You can easily record the whole set when you stream it.

And just to make sure I'm personally all for sharing dj mixes and even unofficial remixes / bootlegs.

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PostPosted: 18 July 2010 - 23:31:42 (022)  Reply with quote
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a98 wrote:
mossi wrote:

So are you suggesting that a DJ at a club or a pub should be paying money to the artists he literally promotes for?! If that's the case then all the DJ's in the city of Vancouver should be arrested for a lot of unpaid dues!


Yes. And they do. Every bar/club pays performance royalties to that countries artists rights society. The money hardly ever actually goes to the right artists though, but it's still paid to the organisation. Even if the bar only plays radio there they still pay royalties for it.

I spin here in Vancouver, and I don't pay for this kind of royalty. In fact none of the DJ's do. The clubs however probably do but I assume for a general license to play commercial tracks.

uforic wrote:
I am not saying the DJ will have to pay to play at a club, but the venue does have to pay for a license for them to legally play music.

This I believe is correct.

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mossi wrote:

I spin here in Vancouver, and I don't pay for this kind of royalty. In fact none of the DJ's do. The clubs however probably do but I assume for a general license to play commercial tracks.


Yes that's exactly what i meant, the clubs/bars pay it. Ofcourse the deejays don't have to.

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a98 wrote:
mossi wrote:

I spin here in Vancouver, and I don't pay for this kind of royalty. In fact none of the DJ's do. The clubs however probably do but I assume for a general license to play commercial tracks.


Yes that's exactly what i meant, the clubs/bars pay it. Ofcourse the deejays don't have to.

Ok we're on the same page then happy

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a98 wrote:


QWERTY. wrote:
did you remove the download option?


It doesn't make it any more legal if it's streamable. You can easily record the whole set when you stream it.

And just to make sure I'm personally all for sharing dj mixes and even unofficial remixes / bootlegs.

but t.nu sees this different. t.nu allows streaming audio, otherwise every topic with a youtube link should be locked.

i have put that argument forward though and asked why streaming is legal, but other forms are not, they didn't seem to have a reasonable answer other then that there wouldn't be any active forum left if youtube vids weren't allowed anymore.

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PostPosted: 18 July 2010 - 23:40:18 (027)  Reply with quote
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But to answer the original question, when you publish a DJ mix on the Internet you are publishing copyrighted material (usually) without all the artists consent so it technically violates copyright laws.
This (i assume) is essentially where t.nu have based their rules on.

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