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Why keeping at 125-130bpm and not 135-140?
Kruse
PostPosted: 30 March 2009 - 08:33:19 (398)  Reply with quote
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Adjusting the tempo that far is too much. Personally, I'll rarely adjust a track more than +/- 3 or 4 bpm

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PostPosted: 24 June 2009 - 05:46:18 (282)  Reply with quote
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I guess it depends on the mood. Ever listen to unmixed songs off of the ISOS series? Especially ISOS4? Some of those songs are native at 128bpm, but Tiesto bumped then up to 135 or higher in some cases.

I agree that its a perception of how things sound too. Percussion changes everything. I miss those 145bpm sets too unhappy
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bollocks to all this i frequently add +10 or 15 tempo to tracks and mess the hell out of them, all about experimentation!

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PostPosted: 23 July 2009 - 03:26:00 (184)  Reply with quote
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Subtle wrote:
Changing the tempo of a track is like degrading the quality of it.



I don't hear degradation with CDJ's until after 5% so I never strech a track past 4%


Plus, its hard to mix songs streched so far. I stick between 3-4% max and I usually just try to strech all my songs +-2% throughout the whole set.

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Myras wrote:
bollocks to all this i frequently add +10 or 15 tempo to tracks and mess the hell out of them, all about experimentation!



HAHA wow. that kind of streching wont work with the more progressive tracks. A track must be really busy for the CDJ to strech a track that far properly without hearing artifacts...

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PostPosted: 23 July 2009 - 03:35:09 (191)  Reply with quote
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djcosta wrote:
For example.

We have a nice Tech-trance track : W&W - Countach

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLprHB3WzVM

It is written at 137 BPM.

I slowed it to 128-130 and it sounded awful.I would prefer to hear some minimal rather than this.

I tried it with several tracks and the vast majority failed.

I know the percussion is very important for example you can listen Ernesto vs Bastian Thrill (132 BPM).

Still even some tracks are ok to listen after they are slowed down you know something is missing....




Yea that's too much. I usually try to keep my set around 128-134 bpm.. 135 MAX.

So all tracks that are above 135 get pitched down to 133-135. I don't have anything faster than 139 except for maybe 2-3 songs. That type of trance doesn't go over very well around here...


Songs that are 128 or lower will get pitched up 134 MAX. Anything after that is sure to be over 4% that shit sounds awful, especially since Im always in master tempo with the CDJ's.


Here's my personal philosophy:



122-126 can get streched to 128-132

and likewise 126-129 will go down to 122 at the minimum.

128-132 can get streched to 130-134

135-138 usually gets pitched down to 132-135


and anything 138+ I usually dont' end up playing but it I have to
it will get pitched down to 133-135.


Songs slower than 126 are very rare. Only example I can think of in my collection is Telefon Tel Aviv - You Are the Worst Thing (Sasha Invol2ver remix) which is 115 I usually play at the beginning at 122. 128 MAX. Anything after that loses the grove of the song.

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PostPosted: 18 August 2009 - 21:41:34 (945)  Reply with quote
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some tracks that actually sound better when they are speeded up or slowed down:

Doppler Effect - Beauty Hides in the deep (Blizzard remix) sounds better when u speed it up a few bpm.

Heatbeat - paradise garage also sounds a bit better when u speed it up like 3 or 4 bpm

Ernesto & Bastian - Thrill sounds the best when its around 137 - 138 bpm, as the bass rolls alot more and u get more of a driving feel to it



thats what i can think of for examples
just use ur imagination and play around to see what sounds right for you
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Kruse wrote:
To me, it is all about building up the energy. I like to put together sets that start around 130 and finish at about 140. That way I can open up with deep, more bassline driven tunes and end with more melodic, uplifting stuff.


Same here, totally agree with you, mate!

P.S. heart the quote in your signature! lol
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In my opinion and experience with most Trance & Progressive tracks, the sound starts to get troubled when I adjust the tempo by more than +/- 3 or 4, in some rare cases +/-5.
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Ilya Soloviev - Universal Universe is 140 bpm, but it sounds awesome at 136.
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PostPosted: 12 February 2010 - 14:01:47 (626)  Reply with quote
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most of the tracks sound good when raising the tempo, i don't know if it's the same with lowering it

i remember Markus Schulz ft. Carrie Skipper - Never Be The Same Again
sounds pretty lame at its original bpm, but if you pitch it up it becomes awesome!

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IMO it really depends on who you are and what mood you're in. For instance in Vancouver people are very laidback and like to chill alot, so the house scene (~125 bpm) is pretty big here. On the other hand take a look at Japan and all the high-tempo dance/jpop tracks they like to listen to -I think that has to do with how busy and stressed they are every day.

It's just a hypothesis btw -don't ask me to back it up by scientific evidence!

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mossi wrote:
IMO it really depends on who you are and what mood you're in. For instance in Vancouver people are very laidback and like to chill alot, so the house scene (~125 bpm) is pretty big here. On the other hand take a look at Japan and all the high-tempo dance/jpop tracks they like to listen to -I think that has to do with how busy and stressed they are every day.

It's just a hypothesis btw -don't ask me to back it up by scientific evidence!


lol ive noticed that in bc as well lol!

idk if its because they have a beach and vancouver but for some reason everywhere where there is a beach or resort - its all about slow and groovy tracks
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Igneous01 wrote:
mossi wrote:
IMO it really depends on who you are and what mood you're in. For instance in Vancouver people are very laidback and like to chill alot, so the house scene (~125 bpm) is pretty big here. On the other hand take a look at Japan and all the high-tempo dance/jpop tracks they like to listen to -I think that has to do with how busy and stressed they are every day.

It's just a hypothesis btw -don't ask me to back it up by scientific evidence!


lol ive noticed that in bc as well lol!

idk if its because they have a beach and vancouver but for some reason everywhere where there is a beach or resort - its all about slow and groovy tracks

don't forget doobies too lol

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mossi wrote:
Igneous01 wrote:
mossi wrote:
IMO it really depends on who you are and what mood you're in. For instance in Vancouver people are very laidback and like to chill alot, so the house scene (~125 bpm) is pretty big here. On the other hand take a look at Japan and all the high-tempo dance/jpop tracks they like to listen to -I think that has to do with how busy and stressed they are every day.

It's just a hypothesis btw -don't ask me to back it up by scientific evidence!


lol ive noticed that in bc as well lol!

idk if its because they have a beach and vancouver but for some reason everywhere where there is a beach or resort - its all about slow and groovy tracks

don't forget doobies too lol

Haha, yes, that's probably an important factor.
For you fellow Vancouverites, is there a trance scene at all? I'll finally be able to (legally) go to clubs this summer, but where will I be able to find some "real" stuff -- in other words, no sets consisting of remixes of Lady Gaga and the like. I've been hard-pressed to even find anyone who didn't think the only trance that exists is by Tiesto.
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