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Over Compression!
Deafeye
PostPosted: 08 September 2009 - 20:56:09 (913)  Reply with quote
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Haha I know lol I was being sarcastic ^^^

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PostPosted: 08 October 2009 - 16:11:21 (716)  Reply with quote
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This really makes me mad as well. I wrote about it elsewhere recently:

It's to the point now that I prefer the sound of old vinyl rips to the sound of digital re-releases of old records, which often sound like they have been thrown through a compressor at a high ratio in order to keep them in line with "today's sound."



This is Max Graham's mix of Tilt - "Twelve." Notice how two thirds of the way through the volume builds up. That's because it's a crescendo and the emotional and energetic climax of this particular track. The volume is supposed to build up in a crescendo. That's what "crescendo" means. In tracks now every part is as loud as everything else and the breakdown is almost as loud as the parts with the kick and all the percs, and people think that a track with a kick that peaks at anything less than -1dBfs could not possibly "rock a club." Well, maybe it could not penetrate into their iPod-deafened ears and brains.

I just bought one of Andy Blueman's songs off Beatport. I made two ~30 second samples, one from Witness Of Wonder - "Emotion In Motion" (Thrillseekers Mix) and one from Andy Blueman - "Everlasting." Both samples are cut out of the loudest parts of the tracks, just after the breakdown when everything slams in:



Honestly the second one sounds awful to me, almost like static, in spite of the fact that it is much louder. Why did people start thinking it's a good idea to have the track clip every time the kick hits?

Eurohawk wrote:
And i quoth:

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Volume is business, dynamics are art.

But who is brave enough to sacrifice a little volume for something they would be proud to listen back to in a years time in the face of such overbearing pressure to volumise? Who wants to have their track sat amongst 3 million others on a digital download site sounding, *shock horror* a whole decibel quieter than the one next to it? Have we reached saturation point? In some cases I think we have gone right past it.

- http://www.blacklistedmastering.co.uk/article01.htm

This is a great essay. He is so right about the "space inside the track" being lost with heavy compression. So many mixes today sound suffocated. When everything is at maximal loudness, it sounds like noise to me. Static.
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PostPosted: 09 October 2009 - 16:00:00 (708)  Reply with quote
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MrJiveBoJingles wrote:

Honestly the second one sounds awful to me, almost like static, in spite of the fact that it is much louder. Why did people start thinking it's a good idea to have the track clip every time the kick hits?

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When everything is at maximal loudness, it sounds like noise to me. Static.


Exactly. To some genres and styles this does not hit that hard. If the track is at the same volume level most of the time (minimal whatever) with little progression regarding required dynamics, it can sound somewhat ok from start to finish. But often in trance, when bassdrum alone hits the ceiling and one synth at breakdown alone hits the ceiling, all elements playing together are a total mess. To joke about it, we have to have breakdown since that is the only moment the main melody will play decently at all.

Once again I listened some old trance last (1990-2000) weekend and I was shocked how good it sounded. There is some compression, but it is nowhere near the worst levels of these days. I am simply sad about how much of very good music has been destroyed in all these years...

I have been pretty extreme about this in this topic, I want to clear one thing anyway: Compression can be used to better the sound in some cases. Almost always this does not mean _reducing dynamics_, but adjusting the properties of sound (attack / release etc). Some limiting is ok too to cut off few random spikes here and there, but not to push everything through the roof. This is very much inaudible, usually those spikes are very tiny and fastly passed, when everything is not pushed to the maximum all the time.

On the other hand, if the limiter is working all the time, everything will get destroyed. Please producers, check your waveform after you make track to see if you have made it too loud. Remember you will have listening fatigue and you might not notice it at all at the end.
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Duski wrote:
Exactly. To some genres and styles this does not hit that hard. If the track is at the same volume level most of the time (minimal whatever) with little progression regarding required dynamics, it can sound somewhat ok from start to finish. But often in trance, when bassdrum alone hits the ceiling and one synth at breakdown alone hits the ceiling, all elements playing together are a total mess. To joke about it, we have to have breakdown since that is the only moment the main melody will play decently at all.

Yes, if you have a sparse arrangement, heavy compression can work out okay, but if you have lots of lush pads and busy delayed melodies like trance does, it ends up sounding like mud when you compress it so much.

Part of the "tranciness" of trance for me is in the sense of space that helps you get lost in the track. Tunes with lots of very obvious compression make me feel claustrophobic. There is no space in there, it's like I'm in a closet with people yelling in my ear rather than an open field or something.
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http://www.audioholics.com/news/industry-news/kids-prefer-poor-quality-mp3

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PostPosted: 22 November 2009 - 22:10:57 (965)  Reply with quote
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The next generation of genetically enhanced ears will include:

- hard limiter
- instant 128 kbps mp3 converter
- bass exaggeration
- random occurances of "dj rankin in the mix" sample

Hearing has never been this awesome!

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Ektoplazm's "mastering" of Proton Kinoun's long-awaited release really makes me mad. How could they do this to a beautiful piece of ambient music? sad smilie


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Now the new name for this trance is called degadega trance.

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PostPosted: 12 January 2010 - 01:21:31 (098)  Reply with quote
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I have already lost hope hearing that is not clipping like hell on a different medium than vinyl, I was positively surprised after I bought Manuel Tur’s album 0201 last week. Not the best mastering I have ever heard, but pretty decent.

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Re-releases of the same song (Beatles - Something), pretty interesting.

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The Found by Mat Zo is pretty much a constant block of loudness. The calmer parts are almost equally loud as the main parts. This lack of dynamics reduces the overall impact of the track. It's still one hell of a tune; I'm just disappointed at Anjunabeats for their mastering.

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I bought this track (.WAV) a while back: Simon_Hunt-Dave_Pearce_Trance_Anthems_2009_-_The_Burn_(Manuel_Le_Seux_Remix)-Ministry_of_Sound_UK

Again a fine example of the squash. Loudness definitely isn't everything, I get my tracks pretty loud and compete with the loudness of most, but I would never over-compress breakdowns, etc.

I love Manuel's stuff, but wonder who mastered this, is it Manny's original master or Ministry's re-master, who knows, but it's getting a bit silly now.

Adding energy and the pump through compression and limiting I'm all for, but taking it to some of these extremes is stupid and actual sounds amateurish, it's only for the names of the producers, or the tracks would definitely be overlooked.

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Anyone heard well-produced tracks lately? I am craving for something well made...

Sigh, once again I listen:


Youtube link


...and wonder if anyone produces even near to that sound quality anymore. That sounds better in youtube than most things in "full-quality" I could buy...
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